I just have a couple final questions in summary, and then any final thoughts you might have are more than welcome. NEIL WILLIAMS: And the great irony of that and the torment can be for so many artistsI mean, look in human history, or art history, how it's driven them off the deep end. MIJA RIEDEL: That doesn't feel thoroughly finished to you? I mean, you get on it, and you know it's right, and it's not satisfying like Thiebaud said, but you're still pushing on it and chewing on it. . NEIL WILLIAMS: It's just that it was slow progress. NEIL WILLIAMS: But it was funny, because she would get so scattered that she would almost like self-implode on the verbiage. Then they can be wonderful and enriching and motivational experiences, or they can be make you want to crawl back into your studio and be left alone experiences [Laughs.]. A natural presenter and storyteller, Neil is a great client-facing guy and clients love him. They're quietly sneaking in the back door of some really nice places.". And I said, "Oh yeah, of course, there's a bunch of us going to come up," and luckily a whole bunchbut it was like, "They're going to come too, aren't they? I think she knew what she needed. NEIL WILLIAMS: Oh yes. Neil Williams always brought light to every room entered. Is there any tradition involved in bolstering the success of that intent? And those thingsyou never knew what happened to them. NEIL WILLIAMS: I remember when it showed up, it was all bright and it was a metal bronze thing and I mean, they were okay. I call and he says, "I've got to get on a plane. No. It's serious life-force work, and if it's good it's all-consuming and it works on multiple levels. MIJA RIEDEL: Mm-hmm. Another five years go by, and the mortality rate gets down to less than one percent over a 20-year period. But luckily, she got that, and insteadso she saw where I needed to be challenged, and. NEIL WILLIAMS: They'd tell you to grow up, and yetbut at the same timeit was empowering and working with clay. I was going to go to graduate school and she said, "Well, you can work for me." It was hard work, physically, but I knew it was special. I can do that painting. And my own inclination to seeing and knowing that color could bring something to life. NEIL WILLIAMS: And she started to eventually, but she thought, "Oh my gosh, they're going to go around me and sell," and so it was ironic because, 20-something years later, I would meet somebody like Sandy Besser in Santa Fe, who donated the work to the de Young Museum, or someone would say, " Oh gosh, I've been buying your work for 26 years." NEIL WILLIAMS: that's why some of her students were good and excelled and a lot of them were like, "What is she?" But, there was stuff that got taken. 0000010881 00000 n Fitting together. He says that, "Volume has gone to her paintings, and the plates were the bridge." NEIL WILLIAMS: And it was a nice transition for her to go into her next phase tobut I was really pleased to be able to help her in that. NEIL WILLIAMS: Iwell it connected to the images she was. So, she had a full palette of color to work with. You'll be redirected to related page soon Don't have an account? NEIL WILLIAMS: And there was the famous candlestick incident, where [Laughs.] And he built them, and they were the original administration buildings. NEIL WILLIAMS: He did a littlemost of her reading for her, I'm certain. WebWilliams, Tyrone. NEIL WILLIAMS: I remember Rena being extremelynot cautious, she was just so patient with Viola. 0 NEIL WILLIAMS: And, when he was on his deathbed years ago, I was fortunate enough to go and be able to take, help care for him for a couple of months. NEIL WILLIAMS: Just the green light that it was okay to pursue this. MIJA RIEDEL: And, did you seebeing in the studio, seeing her working clay all day and then go home and work on two dimensional work at nightdid you see the real back and forth, the conversation or the influence of one on the other? That was intentional. NEIL WILLIAMS: So, it was a great testament to what an amazing educator Thiebaud was, too. But they kept coming up. 0000009191 00000 n NEIL WILLIAMS: She might not want to have admitted it, you know. [Affirmative.] The whole idea of teaching is pretty didactic, I think, and like Charles used to say, "Nothing can be taught. I think about little quotes and stuff all the time about, you know, some from Charles or some from other artists orthey stick with me. Go to a show and you see incrementally [ph]. NEIL WILLIAMS: wasn't as finished, and it seemed driven by a need and a compulsion to keepto keep working, to keep building, to keep itkeep it big andso, I don't know if that helps answer that question. And then did you go on for masters work as well? MIJA RIEDEL: What was significant about Mario? MIJA RIEDEL: And do you think she did not either? And such a cacheit's funny because at this party I remember, Richard Shaw and Arneson and Manuel coming in, Neri coming in, and looking around the backyard, and they hadn't been there, and there was a period, there was this silence, looking around and I was standing and listening toI can't recall who said it. MIJA RIEDEL: Yeah, we'll deal with that story [later MR]. That has happened. You'll be redirected to related page soon Don't have an account? MIJA RIEDEL: and the evolution of the bronzes. NEIL WILLIAMS: No, I'm justgood at that. [Affirmative.] MIJA RIEDEL: Okay. A unique soul with a great personality has an amazing sense of humour, diligent and caring. WebHe was 69. But I also think that the pressure to produce and the pressure to produce large monumental-scale pieces, colossal pieceswhen everyone was around her saying, "Oh my gosh. I mean, Jason Rhoades came out of that, another really important artist that you should look into. So, NEIL WILLIAMS: Yeah. Yeah, and I have a special connection with some, too. Because everyone was doing brown. NEIL WILLIAMS: because she wasn't really into some of the hard personal discussions about life and death. "Having a solo show. It's that small thing, and it helps the larger things mollify andthere have been a lot of large things. And she was tenacious. MIJA RIEDEL: What do you see as the similarities and the differences between your earliest work and your current work? He did all of those California specials where he'We're in Auburn, and we're'- and he goes through and interviews people about the history. NEIL WILLIAMS: You know, I'm sure her independence helped all that. And so he had discipline of throwing and formulating on clay and materials; glazes and firing wood kilns and things that I was really fascinated with when I was young, because it was a great introduction to realizing how many different hatsI mean you have to be a chemist. MIJA RIEDEL: Is it a particular kind of clay body that you've. 0000112404 00000 n NEIL WILLIAMS: Oh yes, it was a draw for her. She'd work anybody under the table. She nixed those, because she didn't have time for them. This website contains horse racing systems, staking plans and many articles about Australian horse racing of interest to gamblers And I said, "Viola, it was a compliment. University systems, they certainly have their place. NEIL WILLIAMS: I wish I never knew, we were justCheri was just perusing the thing, the inventory, and she said, "Do you know you're in the Smithsonian collection?" NEIL WILLIAMS: So we fired all the kilnsI fired all the kilns in the summers, they were gas kilns. Media. NEIL WILLIAMS: I don'tI never worked so hardI mean, I never tried to figure it out. MIJA RIEDEL: And they're commercial glazes? I don't know if through the Renwick or whatever itI said, "You're kidding? Some people here say, when they see them, "Oh, it's a little mad hatter's teapot." Duchamp was right, it can be a drug for a lot of people throughout history. Manuel Neri? He had a really good background fromin painting. Got tired of insuring it, so they put it on the market, and it was the beginning of the craze when the Japanese were buying. NEIL WILLIAMS: Well, to see what was done and then you look at the dates on some of those things. You know, and I knew Rena was fascinated by her, and intrigued by her because she told me onceshe said that it was so interesting to look back when she was younger and to see how different her and Viola's lives where. I've always had a fondness for him. She had said, even once that there was nothing that she wouldn't give up to make art. And those were very inspirational. Wonderful guy. MIJA RIEDEL: Mm-hmm. We haven't really talked about that. Some of them were meant to be shooting stars, of course. I got to have a show." "Iain Webster - Executive DirectorInterbrand, "Neil is a great person to work with on every level. NEIL WILLIAMS: In their work, and inalso, in them as human beings. MIJA RIEDEL: She had a wonderful reputation. You can directly shop your flowers on Amazon. And eventually, one day, you look back and it's like, "Wow, okay, there's an improvement there," and it's getting closer to the feeling like, "Oh my God," sometimes, which is nice although fleeting. I also think the simplicity of being able to do that because I know they were so physically demanding. So she tookif that ever came up, it was fuel for her, too. I was actually working still with drawing and painting, but with only clay and marks and light and shadow, and not paint and pencil. NEIL WILLIAMS: That's mine. Well, started off with stencils and brush, and then it went to some of the molds and even some thick-lined Egyptian paste she would make, which would melt and fuse onto it. Your email address will not be published. The approach to it or the action of it, there's a cleaner feel to it. Going to church, continuing to take the sacrament, to find ways to serve others, to be around others, to bear your testimony, those are all ways you can be firmly planted within the flame of the gospel so that you are burning bright, Johnson said. NEIL WILLIAMS: And the other profound things he would say, like, "You know, all ofall of art and all of the way that [we] identify the world around us can be divided into two categories: straight line and curved line." 0000114555 00000 n Do a four-week summer workshop. It was very liberating accepting that putting myself into a period or a point that it's, like good art should ask more questions than it answers. And it'sI don't run around feeling proud of it, but I guess I am. 2 from 2, goes better with less fingers apparently. Under Review. "Well here, let me send you something." He did some time forlet me see, just dealing in weed or something. The camelyou know, all those little figurines, they were wanting to explore, like she said, small figurines on a colossal, larger-than-life-size scale. If my work can do that, that's all I could hope for. NEIL WILLIAMS: Ah, there's the hidden gem right there. Doesn't aspire to be spiritually didactic or spiritually motivated, but all I can say is it fills the bill for me on occasion. There was no issue there, and shewas a very good person, and. NEIL WILLIAMS: [Laughs.] [Laughs.] NEIL WILLIAMS: I try and keep themwell the first few years they were a straight line, andbut I try and keep them recognizable. 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